See all. Ive set the Sn value to pt for the PT100. European model Gaggia Classic 2015 (RI9403, 240V) is NOT compatible. Useful link. It has a blue led not red like pictured.The kit works for 115 VAC and 240VAC. AUBER. For questions, please contact us. The kit looks a lot like the one I ordered. I agree the ability to know exactly where the steam cycle is at is a nice convenience. In the text it says M4, but on the picture, it highlights to use the M3. If you have never done this before, know that you are working with live household current, and this can kill you. To set the target temperature, press the 'Set' button on the front of the panel. Auber Instruments PID Kit for Gaggia Classic. 0. The machine and PID were working great, my brother gave me a quick rundown of the PID basics (how it displays the boiler temp, how it pre-infuses, and then times a 30 second shot pull). Although this is optional, it is difficult to access the power switch to tap power for the PID, and it is almost impossible to reach the thermostat without moving the boiler, and the boiler cant be moved unless the steam wand is removed. 7. If you want to defeat that auto-power-off feature, please add this piece of wire to your order. Shades. as a cheap indicator to assist with surfing. Supposed to be faster in detecting temperature changes and more accurate with the measurement. Thanks for your time. To be clear, a PID can increases the likelihood of a consistent starting temperature. I also think that you may have less difficulty reaching the thermostat, the 2019+ models have a lot less room to spare inside. Before replacing the thermostat, maybe check whether your PID and thermocouple are calibrated, before committing to buying more parts. I found that carefully pushing the boiler up gives better access to the thermostat, either from above, or by reaching up from below. I dont bother with offset, once I have a temperature dialed in, it doesnt matter whether its measured at the boiler or offset for the group head. Then I realized that EU models come not with a bistable rocker switch but a momentary one (so electricity flows only when you actively pushing the button). Should this be cause for concern, maybe caused by an error in wiring the PID? Thanks. $136.08. Its getting very hot indeed so turned it off. i set an upper an lower limit on alarms. 100% Positive Feedback. This is a Used Black Appliances for Sale in Fairlawn OH posted on Oodle Classifieds. The C-100 that I received was set up properly, I only had to change the temperature. If the wiring in your machine is different from our installation guide, please contact us. I tested the current with multimeter and it is showing DC 100V when I turn on the on-off switch. All of this really means that you should balance whatever temperature you end up reading against what youre tasting, because thats what matters in the end. SSR control ready to connect external Solid State Relay to handle High current. The pre-infusion timer can also be used as a countdown shot timer. 3: For owners of the Gaggia Classic ProRI9380 240Vversion, please check the installation guide "KIT-GG_Classic Pro US 120V_Installation". Hi Chris, The factory settings have been working well for me, aside from a ~5 degree C overshoot when it first reaches the target temperature. Thus, it will significantly improve the taste and consistency of your espresso. Hi Nitzan. Read More. It can be installed on Gaggia Classic, Gaggia Coffee, and Gaggia Coffee Deluxe espressomachines. If you need to replace the PID controller, please contact us. How to install a pid on the gaggia classic pro. Thanks. Locked Topic . Thanks. Hello Chris, Silver case Black case TopBox with logo TopBox with gauge hole. 102 is even 3 degrees below my brew temperature. In a properly wired North American outlet, the neutral wire is white, and the hot/load wire is black (ground is green). Inside the GC, all bets are off as to wire colors, aside from green for ground, and even then, I wouldnt assume anything. 6. Ive attached an album with my wiring below; Ive literally had an engineer look at it and The Gaggia is 100% at its original state except for the power taps on the neutral at the plug, the live on the brew switch, and the thermocouple to SSR wiring: https://imgur.com/a/rc4xtfz. The most I can say is these work for me, and are probably not optimum. We bring fresh high-quality coffee to the masses. It will depend on the beans you use, and your palate. Thanks for the info, D. Your experience further goes to show that there is no standardized wire color coding in the GCP, even though black is usually hot and white is neutral. Apologies for the long questions, thanks in advance! I think one of either is the one which Shades of Coffee is using. I am not surprised that the steam kit made little difference. Connect one meter probe to ground (the GC chassis should always be grounded, otherwise connect to the green wire coming from the power socket at the back). My Gaggia Classic uses 18 awg wire for every connection inside. There is definitely a falloff from the temperature reported by the thermocouple at the boiler and what you will measure at the group head. $326.00. Looking forward getting your thoughts and ideas Hey Chris, Does this mean that I have made the connection properly? Thanks! Most guides recommend connecting the SSR to the Gaggias (metal) body with some thermal paste, and this mount then serves as a heat sink. The C100 is probably made by dozens of different manufacturers. When I started steaming at that point thermostat never shut down the boiler because temperature did not reach to limit of thermostat. This feature allows you to operate the brew pump manually, with the timer as a reference. I have an old Gaggia Carezza (uses the Gaggia / SaecoEF0030/A Boiler). I installed an Auber PID on my Gaggia Classic earlier this year. Do you think this makes difference? The C-100 can accommodate only one sensor/SSR, so you would only set it for brew temperature. A couple of zip ties come in handy here. No gross taste. Thanks again for all your support. As for you steam mode question, if you followed this guide for installing your PID, the PID will have no effect on the the steam temperatures or functions. But nothing prevents you from using the PID and thermocouple as a temperature indicator. https://www.vertex-qis.co.uk/Manuals/PT100_con.pdf. Can anyone advise on the PT100 sensor setup? You should now have two mains wires, two 12 volt wires, and the shielded thermocouple wire running out of the back of the Classic. This morning I pulled my first shot with the PID. I placed the SSR toward the left side of the back panel if facing the front of the machine. Im so thankful for this. Heres how to install a PID on the Gaggia Classic Pro. So you could measure water temp at the group head at 180 deg F with the PID set to 204 deg F. There is some interesting information here: https://coffeeforums.co.uk/topic/53319-what-temp-offset-are-you-using-with-your-pid/. Black case : Currently out of stock! This wont be enough for the boiler heating element. Hi Jun, and thanks for the update. In your paragraph for connecting the thermocouple, you write thermocouple connects to terminals 6 and 7. I opted to follow my connections according to your picture, rather than that text. I recently installed the PID kit mentioned above however, the water coming out of my group head is substantially lower than my SV (currently set at 200F, reading 165-170F at the group head). This guide should generally also apply to the 2013 GC, but you must assume that any of the switch wiring that I describe will be different for your model year. The 12 volt wires from the SSR connect to terminals 4 and 5. With a SV of 103C (not offset), during initial overshoot the heater would sometimes be one when it was at 104-105C with the temperature rising as high as 108. However I now need to connect steaming and brewing circuits in parallel rather than serial because steaming circuit will not be closed unless I turn on steaming switch and supply power to steaming SSR. You wont need the heat sink, the GCs case does that job for you. Since I cant control that, if you want to use it, you will have to parse the data: each line, after the headings, should start with the PID parameter (P, I, D) followed by the reaction of the controller. Hi David. Good idea Chris. You can take a look at this discussion about offset in the Gaggia Classic: https://coffeeforums.co.uk/topic/53319-what-temp-offset-are-you-using-with-your-pid/. under the name replacement PID kit parts with very low prices. Thanks Jimmy. Hi Kez. On thing I realised is that Mr Shades does not allow purchasing the parts seperately unless you already purchased the kit as a whole. I deliberately avoided looking at the Mr Shades kits and instructions when I wrote this article, I dont want to steer people away from them. () . Plug in a mains-rated cable connected to a piggyback spade connector, and then plug the original switched mains cable into the piggyback. Trim, terminate and connect the wires you routed out the back of the Classic to the PID. Hi Chris, i noticed you used the K type thermocouple with the M4. This is an extra piece of wire for the European model of Gaggia Classic Pro (RI9480, 230V) with an energy-saving module, which turns off the machine after about 20 min if not used). I have few questions for you about this setup. If so, any idea how it can be achieved? Locked Topic Sticky Topic . So I would say yes, you should use a heat sink, but the Gaggia body conveniently provides you with that function. From the factory, the GC has two thermostats, one for brew, which the thermocouple + PID + SSR replaces, and one for steam, which stays untouched. After the kit is installed, the standby brew watertemperaturecan be controlled to within 1 (F or C) accuracy. Have you got any ideas what might be going on? Might be easier for most folks to buy an M4 screw, type K, thermocouple direct vs trying to get the probe version then another adapter. Thanks so much for the awesome guide! My install went as smooth as I hoped all my wire colours and locations were identical to yours (Phewf). Thread in the M4 thermocouple adapter in the place of the thermostat. Shop. When I say old, it is still unused new in the box. After all this, I found that with the PID setpoint set at 94C, the brew temperature would rise to 94.5 and fall to 92.5 minimum. The only cable arrangement I had to change after installing the PID was switching those cables in the back, the one on the top I had to put in the bottom, and the one on the bottom in the top, otherwise the PID would stay on when the machine was off, and off when the machine was on. Nikola. 2. It is still showing the M4 screw as the Crossed out/wrong one, and can be a bit confusing. Hi Anton. One bit of note and a request. 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