Their new loads are badass. Polishing Molot Vepr 12 and Saiga 12 Author: takkuta The VPO-206 series is chambered for 12 Gauge [18.5x70mmR] shells. Vepr 12 shotguns are designed for self-defense. My stock v12 runs Winchester universal no problem. Per 100 or 200. Also try not to limp shoulder the weapon. Top quality upgrade replacement for your Vepr-12. i would like to see an update to the review considering 800 is the new price.. +1 Ive done similar things on my reviews. Stainless steel replacement guide rod and durable black Delrin slider sleeve will prevent the binding common to the OEM assembly. Upload or insert images from URL. Top competitors compete with what their sponsors tell them to so they serve as walking advertisements. You can adjust, but shooting at different distances will be an issue. The "flexing" and binding of the captured OEM assemblies can rob your system of the efficiency needed to cycle the gun properly. buy-ak47 You are all CRAZY. cause to beleave its not they just cant arrest us or hold u, they need reason befor they ack, Then I thought maybe the SGM 12rd magazine was the problem, so I switched to the factory 5rd, same problem. MAGS INCLUDED. Winchester Military Grade Buckshot. The most I was able to get all day were 4 rounds through it without a malfunction. If you can get a few pictures I can at least compare with my Vepr 12. Cost the same as a base model AR or AK does. So I start Googling Vepr 12 , Vepr 12 problems and I come across www.Vepr.org message board. I took the Vepr back to the gun range using only the stock magazine and with the gun lubricated. Id also be really embarrassed to show up at work without pants on, but its just about as likely. For the most part all semi auto shotguns have their own quirks. I don't have a factory 8-round VEPR-12 Molot mag to compare the exact weight difference between them, but the csspecs mag feels- to me- like an AK "should". Mine has a small amount of play in it too, but not much. Have they solved the dis-assembly pin warp problem on the VEPR 12 yet? First, the Saiga and the VEPR are completely different guns. Finally I had a gun that cycled smoothly and fired effortlessly! One, makes me not the least bit interested in any more reviews you personally write and second it makes me question the vetting process for reviewers/writers here at TTAG. the role reversal means that theres no easy way to lock the bolt open when the gun runs dry. One of them was a little bit shitted up. In the old stone quarry, I ran five loads through the VEPR-12 for patterning at 15 yards. lol. is this normal? Sometimes those things find their ways into the wrong hands. Due to Russian law, domestic and many export versions of the shotgun are equipped with a disconnector that will render the gun unable to fire while the stock is folded (only if the length of the weapon gets less than 800 mm). Alternate 00 buck with slugs and rock and roll the big apes. Thats like complaining that your 22lr wont cycle 22short. That is, the bolt locks to the rear of the receiver after the last round has been ejected. However, it does not happen all the time, especially if you are using light loads. Is that normal? where-to-buy-guns The first pic is original and the second is modded. With all of this said, I realize that there can be many reasons why a gun will not run as advertised. - YouTube BigDaddyHoffman1911 on the range with friends Jody showing and shooting the VEPR 12 Russian Shotguns. All of the High Brass ammo that was 1300 FPS and above worked great. While I understand the concept, thats not exactly the truth about the gun. The problem with shotguns is that the ammunition is huge and awkward. It actually works and is much easier to use. I received my VEPR-12 shortly after the ban on Russian imports began and probably paid a little too much for it, but what the heck! I managed to take it apart and deburr all of them. Powered by Invision Community. Im hoping its just one of thise situations where it needs to be fired more. What if American gun manufacturers decide to cut corners (and then cut some extra corners) because they know that people will buy American no matter what? You cannot paste images directly. The VEPR has the standard Krebs adapter affixed. Thx all for the feedback, glad this isnt contributing to my fte issuesback to the drawing board for me. How many FPS are the rounds you are running? Very easy to do. I find it laughable that you recommend a Mossberg 930 over the VEPR. First off the S12 was designed for heavy brass. The aftermarket for Veprs has gotten much better in the past few years as well. By So each category gets 4 stars but somehow the overall drops to 3 stars? Due to the large difference in size between the 7.6239mm cartridge and 12-gauge shells, the extractor port has been lengthened, allowing the shotgun to eject spent shells without risk of causing a stovepipe malfunction. We take the VEPR 12 Shotgun out for a spin on the range. I was finally able to take my Vepr 12 out this morning to shoot. The slide locks back easily by pushing the little button in front of the trigger guard (just behind the magazine release paddle). My gas puc is right, but I'm glad my gas tube and spacing look OK because that is what I was worried about. Overall rating is not mathematically derived from the previous component ratings and encompasses all aspects of the firearm including those not discussed. It worked for me and now I have a smooth running gun that I'm proud to own. I can't speak for the Saiga as I have never used one, but I LOVE my Vepr. I keep my mini-Vulcan leaning on the wall next to my bed with two belt filled cans. One of the things I appreciate about your reviews is that theyre real reviews. We take the VEPR 12 Shotgun out for a spin on the range. I rapid fired, as well as took my time between shots. I get lots of help. If you want a flimsy plastic lightweight mag, the AR-15 awaits. Day and night difference in performance and reliability. so im not sure if this is an actual problem or not as this (v12) is my first ak platform weapon of any kind. Theres always a risk for it, but its hard to say how bad it would be. The Vepr 12 has AK-style sights; however, it also has a top rail if you want to mount a red dot or similar optic. To facilitate rapid reloading of the shotgun, a bolt release lever is located inside the trigger guard, allowing the user to release the bolt without breaking grip.[2]. Is the type of jam always the same (spent shell not being fully ejected, shell getting stuck on feed ramp, etc.). Give them the right sponsorship contract and they would be using it. I hope my previous comment doesnt seem anti-2nd. The Vepr-12 is intended to be a direct competitor to the widely popular Saiga-12 shotgun already produced by Izhmash. ive had nothing but issues feeding cheap roundsFTE almost every single time. See Features. And Id be swapping the stock for something thats not welded open and awkward, so might as well get something American while doing that, giving you another compliance part. Go grab some decent buckshot and slugs and run about 20 or so through the gun to make sure it is broken in. I just bought a Vepr 12 a few weeks ago. Even then some just do not like light loads. 1200fps and up have had much more success than lighter loads and "low recoil" stuff. Total Length: 42 in / 1070 mm. In no way do I represent the opinion of TTAG when I say: if you dont like the subjective ratings, then simply ignore them. Fortunately for them they took off before I got downstairs. Man, does that look awkward and ungainly. I wouldn't hesitate to use them should the need arise. I don't post too often on these sites, but I have had such horrible problems with my VEPR-12 and such subsequent fantastic results with it that I felt compelled to leave a post. That skeleton stock is actually a left hand folding that has been pinned open due to 922r. Reply. My Saiga-12 shtogun review comes to mind, in which I detailed exactly why the gun was a piece of crap and the fan boys retorted with well, obviously you need to fix the gun before you test it! Message boards are awesome resources of knowledge. Play on the bolt carrier itself at the location you are speaking of is not normal. Just because youre paranoid doesnt mean that people ARENT watching! The dreaded AK-47 *assault* shotgun, thankyouverymuch. With these considerations in mind, Molot introduced unique features, such as the ambidextrous safety selector, the bolt hold-open mechanism and a simplified magazine feeding mechanism. ak-74-for-sale I prefer 5, 8, and 10 rounders. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Check out our video on the Russian Molot VEPR-12 and tell us what you think. Also considered potential liability at trial. Joined Jan 26, 2009 . After surfing the net and reading through this very forum, I discovered that many other people were having the same exact problem. The safety on the m1 rifle and several other firearms is in the trigger gaurd. No problems for me as of yet. Helps increase efficiency and thus improves reliability. My Saiga 12 is mostly a range toy. Cmaro21. Of course I am a tooth expert and not an expert on guns. You need to contact the seller or manufacturer for a replacement. The height over bore with a VEPR-12 or Saiga makes a bead not work well. This results in roughness in the action and (FTE) Failure to Eject problems. Your piston gets guided into position by the gas tube. got question how many atf going strp down one these just see ifi it complinant. The fixes are about the same as the Saiga, but there is less need for friction work. The V12 will go for many more rounds without breaking than most pump guns will. Given that, it was easy to let the Saiga goguessing the Vepr wouldnt be much different. Stock Saigas often simply didnt work at all. And, since my kids all sleep upstairs, I can simply keep the weapon at less than horizontal + 15 degrees and they are totally safe. But still, there are problems. lsd-for-sale Some of these will not run light loads out of the box. You can post now and register later. I actually decided to put the Molot muzzle brake (well, the Carolina Shooter Supply brake knockoff) and YES, it significantly reduces recoil on the gun! Why is that? atf got so so bussy they got better things to do the strip down your gun see if compliant probe is they need I manually cycled my action over 500 times before ever shooting it and ran 100 slugs through it in an attempt to mechanically "polish" the rails and machined parts in the receiver. Had some MD 20 round drums and standard factory 5 rounds. Well Im a good shot and either they will be dead or I will before Im done with the six rounds. Its better than the Saiga-12, but the safety is an issue for me and the gun feels like it has very sharp edges and rough machining. I think my next plan of action will be to polish the bolt carrier rails and see if that garners any results.other than that imma just run the hell out of some heavy loads. ! For practical terms, look for loads that are either at least 1 1/8 oz (32 gram) of shot moving 1200 FPS or faster (3 dr eq). Neither worked without gunsmithing with ANY loads. One thing I noticed that was left out of the review that is worth mentioning. The first 3 rounds cycled well, but then on the 4th, jams started happening. Shame on you. I dont believe the 2nd is about home defense. If youre running in open division then this is definitely an option, but consider that for the same price you can have a Mossberg 930 with an XRAIL and have 22 rounds at your disposal before needing to reload, and still have a normal shotgun in every other way. Your previous content has been restored. In comparison to what it would take to get a Saiga 12 to the Vepr 12 level of quality, $1200 was still a great deal. The vast majority of VEPR12 shotguns work fine, it's just a couple percent which have been reported to be having these issues. Since the Saiga puts you in the higher classes of 3 gun I bought a Mossberg 930 SPX. With the cheek pad in place I couldnt get a good sight picture, and with it removed I couldnt get any kind of cheek or even chin weld on the stock. Ive beaten competitors much better than me that used those in Trooper division simply because their gun didnt work. Pasted as rich text. Maybe a little break-in in some cases makes sense, but having to fix it like replacing parts with aftermarket ones or polishing stuff, etc before it cycles properly is not a good thing and nobody should expect that with any modern firearm. Might make sense, I had the VEPR on the same bench I was using the dremel on. The point is though, I wasnt worried about reloading. I was referring to the hornady 9 pellet OOB 1600 FPS load described in the quote. Your piston rod play room looks fine, but I would call and verify with the importer (or pm papazorro or evlblkwpnz or tac47) and send him a link of your video as well. Im not worried about needing more than 6 rounds of 12 gauge for home defense. Honestly are trying to be funny (satire)? Beads only work when mounted directly to the barrel and people honestly miss with them a lot. I am familiar with their products for a quite a long time, but now they got a buttstock with adaptor I am glad to see them at $800 though. I also like shotguns a lot, so having a few choices now is nice. Is over-penetration what it is supposed to do? The problems I've seen with the VEPR 12 models is that some have either undersized gas ports (undergassed) or the extractors are not correct. The flexing and binding of the captured OEM assemblies can rob your system of the efficiency needed to cycle the gun properly. Barrel Length: 19 in / 483 mm. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Bwahahahaaaaaa!!! Or alternatively, if the velocity is down, the weight has to go up. Yea that was the first thing i thought also. I don't post too often on these sites, but I have had such horrible problems with my VEPR-12 and such subsequent fantastic results with it that I felt compelled to leave a post. Just saying. Then the bad news. Saiga-12.com Corporation Then of course the possibility of violating firearms laws in a different state. The permanently attached muzzle brake extends the barrel and enhances the shooting experience through an extreme reduction in muzzle rise and felt recoil. This. I swapped the furniture on my VEPR 12 (slant cut, thumbhole stock) and ever since then I've had some issues with trigger reset. Ignoring for a minute that its inside the trigger guard which is a huge safety concern to some people, the role reversal means that theres no easy way to lock the bolt open when the gun runs dry. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Sold it when I was stationed in California because the AK platform is per se illegal in the state and I play by the rules. Classic Firearms just put these on sale for $799/shipped. There are a lot of internet experts out there. In doing so, we learn a lot about how the VEPR 12 feeds and ejects different types of ammo. Then you mention the xrail as if it is a viable and useful alternative instead of the uber-expensive, unreliable, heavy piece of crap it is in reality? Oh. Theres a full length rail along the top of the receiver for your optics and other gubbins. That's when I discovered Cobra's Custom. (verified owner) November 8, 2020. Even with the availability of Saiga-12 and VEPR-12 shotguns, the pro 3-gun shooters still dont use them. Inconsistencies of the factory VEPR 12 & SAIGA 12 Guide Rod/Recoil Assembly are well known. I purchased this gun for right at $1000 bucks. I have a few 10 round stick mags and a 20 round drum. We test the gun exactly as it comes from the factory. Display as a link instead, I considered giving it to a friend for safekeeping but everyone knows how that goes. There would be a lot of kick with that when you consider the recoil of a 1 ounce slug at 1600 then add another 1/8 oz. The Vepr-12 is a multipurpose semi-automatic detachable-magazine shotgun, produced by Molot-Oruzhie Ltd. It cycles every type of ammo I throw at it. mandalorian-armor-for-sale Im quite sure its something simple. Then the question become: why have the rating system at all? How does Rails all over the place, and more after market mods than you can shake a stick at net a mere 4 for customization? It looks like something that was invented specifically for a video game or a Schwarzenegger movie. I had TWO 930 SPXs and BOTH choked on everything I fed them. Speaking only for myself, Im glad to trade the pretense of mathematical objectivity for reviews that are an honest reflection of an informed persons opinions and preferences. The Saiga, but not much about needing more than 6 rounds of 12 Gauge for home defense feeds ejects! 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